V.R.S.

Cardinal Mueller: Liturgy as such is not the problem

"The liturgy as such is not the problem, but rather the unfounded accusation by the FSSPX that the Catholic Church, under Popes Paul VI, John Paul II, Benedict XVI, Francis and Leo XIV, has dogmatically deviated from the Catholic faith, absurdly counting the Novus Ordo Mass among the deviations, which according to the Fraternity contains dogmatic errors, such as the fact that its sacrificial character has, if not denied, at least been obscured in favor of a mere memorial meal...

The old or new rite is not the problem. Both sides—unfortunately also the authoritarian agitators in the Roman Dicastery for the Liturgy—do not properly appreciate the theological distinction between the substance of the sacraments and the various liturgical forms. A mere disciplinary suppression of the old rite and the general suspicion of its adherents as deniers of Vatican II are not only pastorally questionable but also dogmatically untenable.
I myself have considered the restriction of the celebration of Mass in the old rite to be very unwise from a pastoral standpoint, not because I am a supporter of the old liturgy myself, but because as a Catholic and especially as a theologian, one must also acknowledge the spiritual richness of the older rite, and because there is no justification for haughtily elevating oneself above one’s friends. Incidentally, the liturgical reform did not create a new rite, but merely simplified the previous rite, which itself had emerged from a not always homogeneous development, so that the faithful could participate more easily, both internally and externally (in the vernacular)."

the whole interview may be found here: Is a Schism in the Air? An interview with …
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spinmeister

They just never stop lying. This man is an alleged theologian. Yet he is insisting that there is no difference between the true Mass and the NO. One is just a simplification of the other. You have to be in total denial of reality or just a straight up liar. Is he lying to himself? Does he think everyone is stupid or that no one should care? That's what I mean when I say, when you are doing something evil, "you have to tell yourself something" in order to appease your conscience.

V.R.S.

But he rightly admits/points out that real problem for the revolution are "Vatican II deniers" (not, for example, believers in two forms of the same rite).

spinmeister

You know, if you dedicated your whole life to a Protestant sect, when you thought you were Catholic, and really smart, I guess you have to tell yourself something.

??- kto i co niby ma sobie powiedzieć?
Takie półsłówka niczemu i nikomu nie służą,
To tak jakbyś był zapytany: która godzina ?
i usłyszał: no, nie wiesz? - trzeba spojrzeć na ZEGAR . . .

Andrzej Bogusław Ryfa

tak jak jehowici też nic nie zmieniają jak np. w tym wersie:
"Mówię ci: dziś będziesz ze mną w Raju" - jest w Ewangelii
jehowici natomiast "nic nie zmieniając" tak to piszą:
"mówię ci dziś, będziesz ze mną w Raju" - niby nic,
a sens i skutek dwa światy . . .
Kard Muller tez ma takie pojęcie o sensie i owocach słów,
jak nic nie zmienili to po co zmienili Mszały,
jak wyznają tą samą Wiarę , to
skąd to nowe 1-e Przykazanie o wielobóstwie,
bo i Jezus i Budda i Mahomet i wszelkie inne paczamamy - to ten sam bóg
tylko inaczej nazywany . . .
Ciekawe czy gdybym powiedział, że
moje zero na kącie jest takie samo jak
jego miliony, na jego koncie - też by mi dał dostęp . . .
jak to czyni z
dostępem do Nieba dla każdego i wszędzie . . .

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P. O'B

Heck, Cardinal Mueller deviated from the Faith in his teaching about the Resurrection.